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Post by windwalker on Sept 2, 2007 20:12:22 GMT -5
general discusion will still work with the final vote being held by the council. with the final word by the counsel. as for who 1 representative from the original members and 1 from those who join later up to nine and if necessary a vote at that time to reselect the council.
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Post by nimbian on Sept 2, 2007 21:43:09 GMT -5
Well I had an Idea. (Run away, run away!!!)
Just throwing this out there, What if the Votes are based on the Alliances Level of participation? Under Some sort of Blanket pact, where we all work togeather for ADU Goals. ( I know this is gona for the most part require some diplomats checking with thier Councils/Goverments) An Example is this. Three Levels, Say the GHC, PP, AOE/AO, and Broumus, Agree with a CMA with each other (Based on that pervion that all decitions reguarding the CMT is made here (like decorations of War, Raids, and all that other good stuff) They Get Three Votes. The Second level is for those that have a MDT with every one at their level and above, they get two Votes. the Third level, every one gets one vote and are made up of those that are members of any alliance that does not wish to be involved in any action the ADU takes. and are here to get issues resolved.
I personaly think it would work well, and give the ADU some "Teeth". It would give Alliances Reasons to come here (Millitary Aid from Multiple alliances, but since we are all resonable people who wish to avoid War, likey we could prevent most wars from happening throu Diplomatic Means) and Reasons to get to higher levels, In the End More Votes mean more Responcablities.
The Votes would be added up seperatly, for example there will be a First level Fourm Times the votes by 3 and add to the Second level (and times those votes by two) and last the Third level (as is) So if we had 4 Primary alliances at the Top, 6 at the Second level, and 12 at the Bottom, the total Votse would be. 36 Votes in total. (funy that I accidently made it 12+12+12 hmmm, funny how that works out) so say that the Primary Voted 1 For and 3 Agianst (3 For, 9 Agianst) The Second Voted, 4 For and 2 Agianst (8 for, 4 Agianst) and the Third voted, 8 for And 4 Agianst That would make it 19 for and 17 Agianst. (The Second and third Overruled that First)
Or to make it Easier, Each Group could say For or agianst (based on internal Votes) and then they all have equal voices, and easy to count too.
any way likly a Pipe dream but hey just tossing it in there.
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Post by birdflu on Sept 3, 2007 5:17:46 GMT -5
it took a while to figure out what the hell you were on about!
but i see where you are coming from, and i like the idea... questions 1) what standing would I have in a vote where as AO/E, TM, DDE and (lets say) Alpha are the leading alliances in this Union. How does a lowly player in a medium alliance, get a say with this group?
2)the suggested method, enables 22 voters, does this mean that 22 alliance heads are invited, or 22 members, or 22 voters untill we get more alliances in here?
3)give me a day.. and i will have a few more...
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Post by cleocatra on Sept 3, 2007 5:50:24 GMT -5
I better not end up as a tea lady, and I want everyones vote/say to be equal no matter which alliance they belong to. c.c
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Post by windwalker on Sept 3, 2007 8:55:27 GMT -5
I like the idea of being based on participation
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Post by nimbian on Sept 3, 2007 11:13:49 GMT -5
Bird Flu Your first question is ansered with C.C.s bellow The enitre system is based on Participation, (One Vote per alliance. so only the Offical Representive will be able to access the specific "rooms" for these votes more on this at the bottom) There is no limit to any Tier so there Could be 30 "Leading" Alliances and 5 Second tier alliances, or 40 Third tier, 2 Second Tier, and 10 First Tier. First Tier- Leading alliances Full pact Second Tier - MDT Pact Thierd Tier - No Pacts, More or less Clients of the ADU, seeking aid.
As to it not making much sence, I apologize it hit at late last night, and well I don't do my best thinking then.
c.c. The way My system is set up, (and I'll try and get to rewitinging it in a day or too. so it makes more sence.) Every Tier has a Voice, and can over ride the otheres, and if we go with the Second system then it would happen even more often and give each Tier a greater Voice.
As to every one having an Equel voice I think that while posible can be impractical. a way we can do this is by having a General Assembly, This is where the Solutions are argued out, and then the Three leading Solutions are taken to the Three Tiers for the Votes. This way Every ADU Member gets a say in what the Solution but only those that are going to have to enact it should get to vote on it. And with The Three Tiers then all alliances will have a say in it.
But this Whole system only works if the Beginng to End lasts no more then a Week, Longer and the problem is likly over before we need to do any thing.
and Last I think we need a DIRT Diplomatic Instant Responce Team, People that are authouized (at least to certian levels) for immediate actions, At least till the Issue is resolved in General Assembly -GA.
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Post by nimbian on Sept 4, 2007 20:07:43 GMT -5
Hmm no ones posted yet?
Well I had another Idea, got it at work, so this may be from the Paint Fumes.
Take the Above Idea an simplify a bit. Simmilar Arangemnets, except that instead of having Alliances, Represended, it is individual members, (that way we can tone down the GA. While adding more weight to each of the Three Tiers.
I'll have to rewrite it but what do you guys think of this Idea?
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Post by windwalker on Sept 4, 2007 20:35:33 GMT -5
it has lot's of possibilities, I definitely agree we do need a DIRT so we have good reaction time
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Post by nimbian on Sept 4, 2007 23:16:20 GMT -5
OK heres the Rewrite to the Best of my abilities, (which are admitied limited in expressing my self, darn Dyslexia)
All ADU members are part of Two groups, The General Assembly and a Tier. The General Assembly is where all problems are brought, and where all solutions are posted. All members from all Tiers can Participate. the Time line from Problem to Voted on Solution should be 5-7 Days at the longest. As An Example, A Problem is brought up, 3 days to come up with Solutions, 1 Day for Vote, then 1 Day for the Tier Councils to vote. (Using the Top two solutions) The Times can Very abit. the Tiers are made up of Individuals of a Given level of participation and Support. For Example. Tier 1. is Made up of those who, have decided to full support any decitions the GA, and the Tier, have voted on. Even those they don't like. This level should be made up primaraly of those of Millitary Means, as they will be taking Direct action. (Millitary, Sabing, or Direct comunications with the 'involved alliances.) Tier 2. Is made up of those that have decided to Support the ADU economicly this may include the Use of qoutas, and such to insure that they are capable of supplying the First Tier in harsh times. The 3rd Tier, is of those who wish to contribute but only when they support the decitions made. Meaning its Volentary.
The Votes from each Tier are equel, in that If Tier 1 votes Solution 1, Tier 2 Votes Solution 2 and Tier 3 votes Solution 1, then Tiers 1 and 3 over ride Tier 2
and I'm sorry for all the Spelling mistakes
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Post by windwalker on Sept 5, 2007 7:49:33 GMT -5
little easier to understand Nimbian, and it looks like a good outline
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Post by nimbian on Sept 5, 2007 9:28:57 GMT -5
Thanks
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Post by cleocatra on Sept 5, 2007 10:15:40 GMT -5
ok, time to make a move on getting this going if we ever are. I say we make the 7 members registered on here right now the Founding Board, start spreading the word and take in new Union members. Each joining alliance will be allowed two reps, But each alliance only one vote. c.c
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Post by deathsangel on Sept 5, 2007 18:23:46 GMT -5
that sounds good, but i think that if anybody more than the two want to join, they can. the two reps would be the ones brining us the problems and the bridge between here and the alliance.
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Post by windwalker on Sept 5, 2007 18:31:10 GMT -5
sounds good to me
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Post by nimbian on Sept 5, 2007 20:35:17 GMT -5
I'll post a Poll then
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